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Talk It Out:
Churches' Policies during Church Yard Sales



"Several times recently my family has attended church yard sales where the church refused to allow yard sale customers to use their bathroom facilities. One church was even so bold as to post numerous signs that read, 'NO PUBLIC RESTROOMS.' As a Christian, this irritates me to no end. What kind of message does it send about Christians to non-believers who attend the yard sales: 'If you’re not one of ‘us,’ there’s no place for you here'? I can’t help but think back to the words of Jesus in the parable of the sheep and the goats: 'For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink…' Could we also add to that, 'I had a four-year-old who needed to go potty, and you wouldn’t let me use your facilities'?

So here is my question: Have you ever experienced this phenomenon? If so, do you find it offensive also? Or, if your church has a similar policy of not letting people use the restrooms, can you shed some light on why a church would adopt this policy? Perhaps some churches do this in response to had bad experiences they have had in the past. I don’t want to be judgmental, so if you can explain this behavior to me, please do." ~ Nancy



Responses:

"Here are a few reasons I can think of that a church might adopt this policy: 
* A very large crowd, limited toilets available as the church was built for a much smaller crowd
* The issue of cleaning not just bathrooms, but the areas used to access bathrooms such as entryway, hallway, etc.
* The responsibility of volunteers to ensure that only bathrooms are accessed and not the expensive audio, video, or office equipment.  
These are a few thoughts that come to mind." ~ Lorrie 

"It’s ridiculous that a church would not let you use their facilities.  Even at my own home, if someone is at a yard sale I was having, I would allow them to use the restroom. Especially if there was a child that needed to use the potty. I would not allow them in my home alone, I would accompany them inside and stay close by, just in case. " ~ Angie


 
"I have heard that this sort of thing actually has to do with churches' insurance policies,  protecting them from potential lawsuits over someone possibly being accosted while in the restroom on their property. I don't think it is necessarily a conscious separating people into 'us' vs. 'them'  - at least I sure hope not! - but simply insurance issues.  In our town, a church took a lot of public flack because it was located at the end of a riverside trail and wouldn't allow people using the trail to park in the church parking lot.  Insurance issues again.  I think this says much about being 'in the world but not of it': do we really need that insurance? Isn't it better to behave charitably and trust the Lord for the outcome?" ~ Betty

 


 
"Here in our small regional centre in rural New South Wales , we have two charity stores almost an hours drive from our farm. We also experience the 'restroom problem' – mainly with our young princess (a 'girl thing' according to the 'king of our castle'). In Australia , our great“ Occupational Health and Safety Laws (man-made to be sure), mean our charity stores are unable to provide access to their restrooms. As you can imagine, many a time the staff are apologetically asked to clean up after an 'accident'. In order to do so requires someone with a 'Chemical Care Certificate' to grab the cleaning solutions (another man-made law here in Oz).

As Christians, we believe that we should follow the laws of our land – to the Glory of God! We no longer even ask to use the facilities. The ladies and gentlemen always look both frustrated and embarrassed to have to say NO! Instead we use the amenities at the local public library across the road! The staff are always welcoming and know we’ll borrow before we leave. Our library has great staff, books, DVDs, and a chess set my boys can’t tear themselves away from!

  Sadly, these are the days the Lord chose before time for us to be born into – and in faith, we trust our Great God has chosen to allow laws such as our OH&S for a reason. Sometimes, observing the staff saying no to a customer in our favorite 'boutiques', as we call them, is the perfect opportunity to show grace to a frazzled mum with a child needing to go NOW, pointing them to the library facilities, and minding their purchases until they return! Even showing compassion to an embarrassed member of staff is an opportunity to show Christ’s love!

God knows. God cares. God understands. We show the world Who He Is – and that He is LOVE!" ~ Sandie, New South Wales, AUSTRALIA

 


 
"I think on the most part our churches have a very closed door policy on almost anything and everything. Our homeschool group has trouble finding a building to meet in or to have a curriculum sale in. My husband and I are adopting a special needs orphan from another country and we had trouble getting a building to have a fundraising dinner in. So I don't think it stops or starts with restrooms. And yes, it doesn't make us look good to our community." ~ Kathy

"I here in PA have never heard of such a things. If there is people at the church for ANY event the doors are open and the bathrooms are also! You can even find a glass of ice water in the kitchen if you need one! I have never heard of anything like you explained and would be appalled by that behavior so much so I think I would have to talk to or send a letter to the pastor and congregation about the message they are sending!" ~ Gail


"Our church has an open door policy. We had one experience that might explain some congregations hesitancy about allowing open access to the building. We had some youth that were upset at a young man in our congregation so they went into the Mother's Room just off the women's restroom and wrote derogatory and very offensive remarks ALL over the walls with permanent markers. It was a shock for the women the following Sunday. Also I have heard of people hiding in the rest rooms until the building is locked up and then having free reign of the building once everyone was gone." ~ Sandy


 
"The first reasons that come to mind are:  Vandalism and Theft. Imagine all the busy activity with a church sale, and some of the patrons of that sale entering the church and stealing religious articles, decorations, items from the Sunday school for children, furniture, kitchen, etc.  Some kids (adults, too) think it is funny and cute to unravel toilet paper, squirt soap on the floor, steal supplies, and many other forms of vandalism and general debauchery. Also, do you ask the owner of the houses who host sales to use THEIR bathroom?  I doubt it, and the answer would likely be "No"." ~ Jenny
 

Editor's Note: Thanks to these subscribers for taking the time to respond.

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